Hey everyone! Today, I share the mic with Des Traynor, Co-Founder and Chief Strategy Officer at Intercom. Intercom solves a problem that many companies grapple with – how to communicate with and support their customers who need quick feedback while they are busy using an application.
Tune in to hear Des explain what makes Intercom different from their competitors’ products, what they learned from their biggest marketing blunders and why they emphasize the importance of live events (as well as two reasons they don’t expect an immediate ROI from them).
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[00:21] Before we jump into today’s interview, please rate, review, and subscribe to the Leveling Up Podcast!
[00:35] A brief introduction to Intercom, what they offer and why they started the business.
[01:01] The complicated process of communicating with customers before Intercom.
[01:52] Realizing the impact of talking to a customer while they’re busy using the tool.
[02:51] Refining their chat tool, when they finally launched and its exponential growth.
[04:33] How Intercom sets itself apart from its competitors and its many advantages.
[06:44] Why they emphasize events and how they support customers throughout.
[08:11] Two reasons why they do not expect an immediate ROI from events.
[09:39] How Intercom thinks about data and what Answer Bot can do in this regard.
[11:37] Their difficulty with measuring certain marketing efforts and their biggest blunders.
[14:30] What Des would have told his younger self going into this venture.
[16:34] Why the Strava running app has been the most rewarding tool in his life.
[18:03] Des’ picks for the two books that have had the biggest impact on his life.
Today, I’m going to give you a little refresher (or crash course) on marketing automation and tailoring your email messages to people who behave a certain way on your website.
Tag Your Visitors and Put Them into Sequences
Take Single Grain, for example. If you visit our services page or our case studies page, you’re different from someone who has just visited our home page and bounced in a minute or less. So, as the site owner, I want to tailor my messaging based on visitor behaviors.
How many lead magnets does a visitor download on my site? What kind of content are they most interested in? Maybe they visited my SEO section 5 or 6 times. My goal is to find these interested visitors and tag them appropriately, then send them the correct message. That way it’s not just one general email nurture sequence for everyone. It’s tailored to what I think they want or need.
Marketing Funnels
That being said, you should definitely still have a general email nurture sequence. Give people consistently useful content so they can raise their hand when they’re ready to buy from you. I’ll show you what that looks like. I’m also going to show you a little more sophistication with marketing automation, because a lot of the clients we work with don’t even have funnels built out and they need funnels.
If you need a little more elaboration on what marketing funnels are, just Google “marketing funnels.” We are usually the #2-#4 result (How to Create A Marketing Funnel That Generates Sales). Also check out AWeber and Kissmetrics because they also have great resources on this and they’re great companies.
Email Marketing Solutions
Our email marketing solution, Drip (owned by Leadpages), is basically a cross between MailChimp and Infusionsoft (also known as “Confusionsoft”). MailChimp is a little too simplistic, but they’re getting more sophisticated. Also, I’m not going to hate on Infusionsoft because I’ve seen it do powerful things for Neil. But Drip is awesome because it gives you the best of both worlds.
Now let’s see how Drip works. If I go to the Growth Everywhere email campaigns, the content is basically my interview podcasts where I talk to a lot of different entrepreneurs. I’ve done over 200 interviews, so that’s a lot of content right there.
The great thing about this type of content is it’s helpful to everyone who’s looking to learn how to grow a business, because I’m talking to these people, I’m getting their story, I’m finding out how they grew their business, how they started it, what struggles they went through, etc. The stories are evergreen. So it’s pretty easy for me to put all these emails into a general sequence (because everyone can benefit from them).
The idea is to keep hitting your list with incredibly useful, FREE content over and over and over. You don’t say, “Hey, come buy my stuff.” You keep giving value over time. And, naturally, your list will raise their hands when they’re ready to buy. Yes, you could throw an offer at them, like a webinar, but ideally you’re nurturing them through a sequence.
One of the guys from Drip, Zach Grove, actually did an audit of our work flow. When Zach audited our account, he said, “Well you know, you have all these important emails, such as trying to get people to go to a webinar or trying to get people to check out a PDF. But in your current sequence right now, your general nurture sequence, you’re only hitting them once.”
They’re only going to see that email one time and then they’re going to move onto the next thing. Chances are, most people aren’t going to click these emails.
He was right. My open rate was 57% on the first one, but it started dropping and dropping until it was averaging around 20%. Instead, you should be hitting your list over and over with the same email (with minor variations, mostly in the headline), until they actually open it.
If they don’t open it over a 5-email span, we’re going to move them to the next sequence. But we want to give them more opportunities to view our main offers. That way we’re going to convert more people at a higher level.
Have a Solid Email Workflow
So, after learning this from Zach, I made a Single Grain “important emails” workflow and anyone that opts into Single Grain or Growth Everywhere is going to move through this sequence.
If they subscribe, great, they’re going to be put into a delayed sequence. And then we’re going to send them a campaign, like a “13 customer acquisition campaigns” webinar. Once they open the email, they’re tagged and then they move to the next sequence.
I can also make a segment where if they’ve viewed all this stuff, I know that they’re really qualified and I’m going to try and send them additional offers because they’re further down the funnel.
But you’re not able to do this with a basic email marketing tool. You need something that’s more sophisticated, like Infusionsoft or Drip.
For access to Drip, just go to www.levelingup.com.
Eventually, once someone has moved through a lot of the workflow and they’re ready for more commitment, I start sending them to webinars. And then from the webinar we might send them our case studies or our marketing roadmap. I’ll send them a backlink campaign as well.
And if they view this backlinks campaign, guess what? I’m going to send them our Airbnb backlinks case study.
This is a study on 1 million backlinks, this is another one on 1 million Udemy backlinks. We have 10 of these studies, and this is just one sequence. Overall, we put people through 420 days of content.
That’s 14 months of content in addition to the general nurture sequences we run and that’s okay. That’s worth it, because a lot of our clients actually start working with us maybe a year or two in. Our sales cycle is pretty long; usually it takes about 3-4 months to close. And this is true for many agencies.
So, if you have all this content, why are you not doing a better job of getting it in front of the right people? If you have amazing stuff, it’s your job to put it in front of your audience.
Hey everyone, in today’s episode I share the mic with Jonathan Abrams, founder and CEO of Nuzzel, which allows you to discover top news from friends and influencers. Jonathan was also previously the founder of Friendster, which was a forerunner to Facebook and had over 100 million members.
Listen as Jonathan explains why you don’t need a social media account to engage with thought influencers and famous people, how word-of-mouth advertising and getting investors is easy when you’ve got something of value, what lessons he learned from founding Friendster, and how easy Nuzzel makes it to curate an email newsletter on your phone while standing in line for coffee!
01:28 – Jonathan began as a software engineer, became an entrepreneur, and is currently working on Nuzzel
01:47 – Nuzzel gives personalized recommendations of news to people using social signals
02:08 – Nuzzel was launched two years ago—first on web and email, then later on iPhone and Android
02:19 – They now have a new platform where people can curate email newsletters
02:50 – Eric shares that Nuzzel is one of the first apps he opens when he wakes up to get updated on what is going on
03:12 – Nuzzel makes life easier for Eric
03:25 – Jonathan shares why he started Nuzzel: he noticed that the more he got excited with Twitter, the more he would follow people who interested him
03:40 – He could not keep up with all the people he was following so he needed a tool to help him use Twitter more effectively
03:46 – Not everybody uses Twitter and this was limiting the impact of Nuzzel, so they also got connected with Facebook
04:04 – People do not use news apps or news aggregation tools
04:31 – The mission of Nuzzel is to connect people with information that is not on Facebook
04:50 – E-mail newsletters are old school, but are also really hot right now
05:09 – E-mail newsletters are an easy way of getting content
05:22 – Many people who use Nuzzel are famous people, influencers, are on social media, and have podcasts to promote content
06:18 – Jonathan encourages Eric to have a newsletter
06:34 – Eric can curate his own newsletter using Nuzzel and people can subscribe to that
06:53 – People who do not have Twitter can still subscribe to Eric’s newsletter with their email address
07:08 – People can also reply, encouraging engagement
07:20 – There is no charge to use the platform
07:28 – The vision is to build a network of newsletters and include relevant native advertising within it
08:10 – Similar to Pocket in having email sponsored ads
08:32 – Nuzzel’s investors
08:40 – How is Nuzzel growing and acquiring its first thousand customers?
08:48 – Jonathan says they started by making a great tool, put it out there, and saw a great response
09:03 – Chris Sacca and Mark Benioff are some of Nuzzel’s users who eventually became investors
09:38 – Nuzzel has been featured in The New York Times as among the best apps of the year and in other media outlets such as Google Play
10:00 – Twitter users are also posting about Nuzzel
10:10 – An app-centric approach was limiting to some people so the email was maximized to reach a bigger audience
10:30 – What is working best for Nuzzel in terms of customer acquisition?
10:55 – They are still working on reaching a bigger number of people, thus the newsletter platform was launched
11:04 – Tools are being created to make Nuzzel easier to use for people
11:58 – The newsletter platform would allow people to invite their friends to use Nuzzel
12:07 – Media companies are also being approached to use the platform
13:06 – Eric wanted to do newsletters but was discouraged because of the costs involved
13:20 – Eric can now do newsletters and curate because of Nuzzel
13:28 – Mailchimp or Tinyletter are great tools but requires a lot of effort
13:45 – Nuzzel works by creating the tools, recommending content that can be used in any person’s newsletter, and refers to stories you can use from other sites
14:10 – Jonathan says they want to make sending a newsletter as easy as posting on Twitter
14:40 – Nuzzel’s struggle is in finding people who use news apps and dealing with the reality that news is not inherently viral
16:20 – Nuzzel is not just an app company and it’s mobile
16:45 – Nuzzel started as a web prototype
17:05 – The people using it ask for daily emails
17:15 – It was also launched as an IOS app, iPad and Android
17:27 – Around 2/3 of its users use the IOS app
17:34 – Curating email newsletters on the phone is a convenience people want
18:58 – What was the biggest mistake for Friendster?
19:30 – Friendster was different than MySpace or Facebook as they invented the concept of inviting friends to join the site
20:09 – Problems with technology and scaling emerged and people had a hard time using it so they moved on
20:50 – The vision of Friendster to get people to connect was good, but it was Facebook who succeeded in that
21:13 – MySpace went too far with its features
21:43 – Friendster was a great brand but had technology problems
22:35 – Kent Lindstrom, the original CEO of Friendster is now Nuzzel’s COO
22:46 – Friendster was hiring people based on their resume and not based on whether or not they were a fit for the company
23:18 – What’s a new tool you’ve added to make your life easier?
23:36 – A change from Amazon to a new vendor was a big improvement
24:26 – What is one must-read book you’d recommend to everyone?
24:56 – Jonathan is currently reading The Three-Body Problem, but is a bit confused with it
25:39 – The best way to find Jonathan online is on Twitter
3 Key Points:
Nuzzel has launched a new platform where people can create and curate their own newsletters.
Most everyone has an email address; make your product accessible so that all you need to join is an email account.
Curating newsletters while still being mobile is what sets Nuzzel apart. — test
Hello and welcome to another episode of Growth Bites. Today we’ll talk about how you can reoptimize your unopened emails. Whatever email service your using: Aweber, MailChimp, or another, you should be able to target your audience by getting specific and searching for people who haven’t opened your messages.
Everyone’s heard about A/B testing and how important it is, but it’s also important to look at your past emails and see who didn’t open your emails and what you can do about it. [01:31]
This is like another level of testing, but it’s very easy to do. When you go into your email service, look at one of your past emails, and search for users who didn’t open it. You can segment these people out into another list and send out a new email to them with a new subject line and see what the results are. [01:50]
If the rates from this test are higher than the first email, assess what you did differently: adding a number, adding time-bound language, etc. and make a note of it. [03:03]
Keep running these tests every two weeks or every month to see what really resonates with your audience. [03:20]
Another tip is to figure out what the optimum open times are for your audience. [03:32]
To figure out what that timing is, broadcast all seven days of the week, all hours of the day. You never know if your audience is mostly engaged on Sundays, or at 5 am – it’s very likely that it will go against the advice you read on the internet. [04:14]
Welcome to another episode of Growth Bites. Today I’ll talk about how I was able to increase my email conversion rate by over 500% with different tools and tactics.
Noah Kagan of AppSumo came out with a plugin for WordPress called SumoMe that allows you to implement email popups and email bars at the top of your blog post. [01:22]
It’s a tool that integrates with AWeber, MailChimp, GetResponse or whatever email service you use for super simple integration. It’s free at sumome.com. [01:50]
There’s an exit popup that you can set up, and a regular popup feature that shows up after people scroll past a certain part of the screen. [02:14]
The bar that shows up at the top of your website or blog posts just sits at the top and tells people to opt in. [02:30]
There’s also social sharing buttons that are super customizable and look good on mobile. [02:47]
Doing things like this have made my email list conversion rate jump up by 500%. [02:56]
SumoMe isn’t the only thing you can use. For example, some of my blog posts have a downloadable pdf checklist attached to them. This checklist connects to a lead page that require people to enter their email address to have the guide sent to them. [03:04]
You can also do other things like sidebar email opt-ins or place them after blog posts to get similar results. [04:00]